I don't fit into this world, or this way of living.
The mundane BS of going to work for someone else doing something I don't even want to be doing, just so I can get digital numbers put into my damn back account so that I can give those numbers to OTHER people just for the privilege of doing it all over again.
Sometimes I think this entire system and way of existance needs to burned, destroyed and buried and forgotten.
@Wetrix it’s called capitalism and it’s fantastic for crushing the spirit and independence out of human beings. It’s designed and run for the capital owning 1%. Socialism is the answer.
@CyberSocialist @Wetrix Socialism is an utopia in the best case, in reality it's a vague concept that is defined by everyone differently. In the worst case it's a totalitarian nightmare as in USSR and economic collapse. So socialism is no answer and never was - constant change, reforms, dialogue are the only answers that ever worked.
@kravietz @CyberSocialist to be fair, even that doesn't work.
There's never been a long term successful civilization and we're quickly finding out that capitalism is a complete failure.
These systems are not inherently bad, but anything that humans are involved in becomes corrupt and broken by our very nature.
@Wetrix @CyberSocialist It depends what you take for "long term". Communism longest survived ~70 years and collapsed indebted to Western countries. Capitalism in Europe and US probably 10x that and over that period, and globally people experienced crowing standards of living, health and life expectancy. This is an nicely visualised on https://www.gapminder.org/tools/ based on actual data.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz global warming? No.
@Wetrix @kravietz no, that response is distinctly anti-science. The evidence is clear: man made CO2 being added to the environment through the burning of fossil fuels since the dawn of the industrial revolution (and not-coincidentally the beginning of the Age of Capitalism) is changing the earth faster than at any time ever before. There is no science to show the opposite.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz sure. You start.
Don't argue a point with no sources when asking for some.
@Wetrix @kravietz wow, that defensive? You don’t present sources ‘only if’ someone else does: you present sources because they validate your argument. You’re trying to disprove consensus science, yet you have zero evidence. You’re the one arguing against the scientific orthodoxy, not me. Without sources you have no leg to stand on. Me? I’ve got the UN and American science as a whole.
@CyberSocialist these aren't sources this is just stuff your saying. Let's see them.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz and you talking shit with n use the internet. It's not just one documentary.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz Umm. That's what made the internet. Science. You know, like that stuff called electricity. 🤓
@CyberSocialist @kravietz so if the internet isn't science why do all science organizations have websites?
@CyberSocialist @kravietz you said the internet isn't science. So I'm doing how you got to that conclusion.
I didn't say I deny global warming. Just man made global warming.
Well, there are actually vast amounts of reliable research showing that both climate is warming on unprecedented scale (last time a million years ago). This nice stripes diagram shows avg temperature growth since 19th century to now
@kravietz @CyberSocialist actually the last time the climate warmed was only 400 years ago in the period known as the midevil warming Era. I'm going to bed but I'll look it up tomorrow. It was warmer then than it is even now.
@Wetrix I know where you're coming from beause like 10 years ago I was very skeptical and raising the same popular myths against AGW.
The science behind AGW is solid and reliable. I studied chemistry so eventually I went into all the journals to check on my own and changed my mind.
The problem is that activists on both sides - including Greenpeace and XR now - lied a lot about it to push their political agendas. But this has nothing to do with science.
@kravietz I'm always willing to learn and will look into this. I appreciate your replies :)
@Wetrix If you read again carefully you'll see the key part: MWP was *regional* phenomenon. Current AGW is a *global* phenomenon, which has much larger impact on the *whole* planet.
The bluish shows MWP average temperatures difference vs 20th century and you can clearly see that it was warmer in *some* places but globally it was actually colder than today.
The redish picture shows temperature difference 20th century vs today.
Can you spot the difference?
@Wetrix Equally there's vast amount of reliable research showing that anthropogenically produced CO2 has been contributing to that process on very significant scale.
Probably the most direct one is air concentration of carbon isotope 12C (fossil) as compared to isotopes 13C, 14C and 18C which are part of the natural CO₂ cycle.
This essentially means burnt fossil fuels are flooding the atmosphere with CO₂ that was long buried underground.
Also there's plenty of simply false arguments that are circulated among climate change skeptics.
For example the popular "volcanoes emit more CO₂ than humans" argument that nobody on the skeptical side cares to verify.
All world's volcanoes emit 0.3 billions of tons of CO₂ per year.
At the same tim humans emit 30-60 billions of tons of CO₂ per year.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz yes there is. Lots. Actually.
Start with what they tell you in documentary.